0:00 Shri Mataji: We have been thinking about 'Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.' 0:20 Shri Mataji: I want to tell you what our eternal home will be like. Shri Mataji: When Christ comes back, and all the very bad things that are happening in the world today, wars and earthquakes and floods and famine, these will become worse and worse. 0:54 Shri Mataji: But we must not be disturbed, because people in the world will have fear. Shri Mataji: We read in Luke's Gospel. Shri Mataji: And Luke's Gospel, Chapter 21. 1:18 Shri Mataji: In the verse 10 and 11. Shri Mataji: Nation will rise against nation, kingdom is kingdom, there will be great earthquakes, plagues, famines, many terrors and signs from heaven. Shri Mataji: And verse 17, you will be hated by everybody because of my name. 1:48 Shri Mataji: But Jesus said when these things happen, we must lift up our head, because it is an indication that Christ is coming back. Shri Mataji: Verse 27, then you will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 2:16 Shri Mataji: So, but before that, when these things begin to take place, verse 28, don't look down discouraged. Shri Mataji: It says straighten up, lift up your head, and it says here your redemption is drawing near. 2:44 Shri Mataji: So, when you read about wars and all types of problems, and when you read that Christians are going to be persecuted, Shri Mataji: People of other religions will come and trouble Christians. 3:05 Shri Mataji: Jesus said that 2000 years ago. Shri Mataji: He said they did that to me and they will do that to you. Shri Mataji: The world rejected Christ when he was on earth. Shri Mataji: They treated him like a criminal. 3:29 Shri Mataji: They treated him like a criminal. Shri Mataji: They crucified him. Shri Mataji: So, we are not supposed to be big people in a world that crucified our Savior. Shri Mataji: In the church people may love us and appreciate us. 3:53 Shri Mataji: But the world will hate Christians. Shri Mataji: Because it's two different spirits. Shri Mataji: It's like black is the opposite of white. Shri Mataji: So, it's always conflict. 4:14 Shri Mataji: Now, if you are not a wholehearted Christian. Shri Mataji: And you allow some black to come into you and the white becomes slowly more and more black. Shri Mataji: Then the world will accept you. Shri Mataji: You behave like the world and talk like the world and do things like the world. 4:39 Shri Mataji: Then the world will be your friend. Shri Mataji: But when you say no, I will not do that. Shri Mataji: I am a disciple of Jesus Christ. Shri Mataji: You will be persecuted. Shri Mataji: And we have not faced anything in our country so far like people faced in the first and second century just after Christ died and rose. 5:09 Shri Mataji: Many of those early Christians were persecuted like anything. Shri Mataji: Sometimes one young mother would accept Christ. 5:29 Shri Mataji: And the husband is an idol worshipper. Shri Mataji: And her parents are idol worshippers. Shri Mataji: But she is accepted Christ. Shri Mataji: And the government will come and take her away from her child and everything and put her in prison. 5:51 Shri Mataji: And torture her. Shri Mataji: And even old people. Shri Mataji: I heard of one Christian who was a disciple of the Apostle John. Shri Mataji: He was, his name was Polycarp. 6:12 Shri Mataji: Polycarp. Shri Mataji: And when he, from a very young age he had loved Jesus and given his heart to him. Shri Mataji: When he was 85 years old and he was a Christian leader, they arrested him. Shri Mataji: And they would take him before the magistrate, the judge. 6:38 Shri Mataji: And the thing they would say is, say that Caesar, which is the name of the king there, Caesar is Lord. Shri Mataji: No, this man said Jesus is Lord. Shri Mataji: Yes, if you say that we will kill you. Shri Mataji: Say Caesar is the king, is Lord. 6:59 Shri Mataji: He said no. Shri Mataji: He said no. Shri Mataji: No. Shri Mataji: And he said, see, more than 80 years I have served my Savior. Shri Mataji: And he has only done good to me. Shri Mataji: How can I deny him now? 7:19 Shri Mataji: Caesar is Lord. Shri Mataji: No, Jesus, Jesus Christ is Lord. Shri Mataji: I will not say, I will not say Caesar is Lord. Shri Mataji: Jesus Christ is Lord. Shri Mataji: And so they killed him. Shri Mataji: Sometimes they would tie them to a pole and burn them. 7:43 Shri Mataji: Sometimes they would chop off their head. Shri Mataji: See, we have not seen such things in India so far. Shri Mataji: But those Christians, even young women and older men, they all stood faithful to the Lord. 8:00 Shri Mataji: So, if we suffer a few little things because we are disciples of Jesus, it doesn't matter. Shri Mataji: What we experience are like little mosquito bites. Shri Mataji: Or ant bites. 8:24 Shri Mataji: Because mosquitoes sometimes give sickness but ant bites. Shri Mataji: That is nothing. Shri Mataji: They were eaten by lions. Shri Mataji: So, we must be bold. 8:44 Shri Mataji: Lord, give me the power of the Holy Spirit. Shri Mataji: And then, one day when Christ comes, we will be with him forever. Shri Mataji: And all the sorrows we have gone through on earth will be forgotten. 9:04 Shri Mataji: See, it says in Revelation 21. Shri Mataji: There is a new heaven and a new earth will come. Shri Mataji: Revelation 21 verse 1. Shri Mataji: And the first earth is passed away. 9:25 Shri Mataji: And in the new earth there won't be any sea. Shri Mataji: That is what it says here. Shri Mataji: See, the sea is what separates us from another land. Shri Mataji: But now there will be only the earth, no sea. 9:45 Shri Mataji: We can move freely from one place to another. Shri Mataji: And then it says here that verse 3, God himself will dwell among his people. Shri Mataji: And in that day he will wipe away verse 4 all the tears from everybody's eyes. 10:08 Shri Mataji: See, all of us, as long as we live in this earth, we have to cry for something or the other. Shri Mataji: We cry sometimes out of pain in our body. 10:28 Shri Mataji: We cry when some loved one is seriously sick or dies. Shri Mataji: This world is a world of tears. Shri Mataji: Many sorrows. Shri Mataji: And it's not only poor people, rich people also have many tears. 10:53 Shri Mataji: But when Jesus comes back, Shri Mataji: We wipe away the tears from our eyes. Shri Mataji: And there will no longer be any death. Shri Mataji: There will no longer be any mourning or crying or pain. Shri Mataji: All this is in this earth, mourning, crying, pain, death. 11:17 Shri Mataji: But it's all, it's all passed away. Shri Mataji: And the Lord says in verse 5, I am making everything new. Shri Mataji: And then it says in verse 7 concerning us, if we overcome, God says, I will be his God and he will be my son. 11:40 Shri Mataji: And then you go to chapter 22. Shri Mataji: It says in verse 3, there will no longer be any curse. Shri Mataji: The throne of God and the Lamb will be there. 12:05 Shri Mataji: The Lamb means Jesus Christ. Shri Mataji: Because he died as a sacrifice for our sins. Shri Mataji: He is called the Lamb because we will always remember he died for our sins. Shri Mataji: You know the Bible says that when Christ comes again, we will get a new body. 12:33 Shri Mataji: Philippians chapter 3 and verse 20 and 21. Shri Mataji: Our citizenship is in heaven from which we eagerly wait for our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. Shri Mataji: And then when he comes, verse 21, he will change our body of our humble state into the body of his, like the body of his glory. 13:10 Shri Mataji: You remember when Jesus rose up from the dead? Shri Mataji: He could pass through a wall. Shri Mataji: And suddenly go away to some other place. 13:31 Shri Mataji: Now we can't pass through the wall with this body. Shri Mataji: And we can't fly away. Shri Mataji: We have to walk. Shri Mataji: But the new body that we'll get when Jesus comes back, Shri Mataji: We'll be able to fly, we'll be able to pass through walls. 13:54 Shri Mataji: And we'll never get sick. Shri Mataji: There'll be no blood in that body. Shri Mataji: It'll only be flesh and bones. Shri Mataji: And all sicknesses will be taken away. Shri Mataji: You won't recognize me when you see me there. 14:17 Shri Mataji: You see, is this Zac Punan? Shri Mataji: His hair is black. He's not wearing glasses. Shri Mataji: He's got plenty of hair. Shri Mataji: Because my body will be like Jesus Christ. Shri Mataji: And yours also. 14:38 Shri Mataji: I think we will recognize each other by our faces. Shri Mataji: You'll see who your brother was, who your wife was, who your husband was. Shri Mataji: But all sickness will go. Shri Mataji: See, wearing glasses is a sickness, baldness is a sickness. 14:57 Shri Mataji: And it'll all go, we'll be healthy. Shri Mataji: And we'll never get sick for eternity. Shri Mataji: It's wonderful to look forward to that. Shri Mataji: I want to live like that with Jesus forever. 15:18 Shri Mataji: So, that is the thing that encourages us while we go through this little difficult time on this earth. Shri Mataji: And we will really live in a world of love. 15:40 Shri Mataji: Everybody we meet, we'll be able to love them and they will love us. Shri Mataji: And it says here in this wonderful thing in Revelation 22. Shri Mataji: Before that I want to say one thing. 16:00 Shri Mataji: See, all our sicknesses will go. Shri Mataji: Some people who lost one arm, they'll get their arm when Christ comes back. Shri Mataji: Everybody's body will be perfect. Shri Mataji: Except Jesus. Shri Mataji: Only in His there will be the nails hole in His hands. 16:25 Shri Mataji: There will be a hole in His side. Shri Mataji: If you have an injury in your hand, that'll get healed when He comes. Shri Mataji: But, Jesus' mark of the nails and the spear side will remain forever. 16:48 Shri Mataji: There's a song in English which says, "When I get up the glory, how will I recognize Jesus?" Shri Mataji: Because I've never seen His face. Shri Mataji: How will I know who is Jesus? 17:09 Shri Mataji: He says, "I'll recognize Him by the holes in His hands." Shri Mataji: And that'll remind us for eternity that we are there because He died for us. 17:29 Shri Mataji: Imagine that you and I are going to be there for ever and ever and ever. Shri Mataji: So, we must be faithful here for this short time. Shri Mataji: See, maximum most people can live is ninety hundred years, not more than that. 17:47 Shri Mataji: Many people die even before they are eighty. Shri Mataji: But, some people may live up to ninety or a hundred. Shri Mataji: Very, very few people live beyond a hundred. Shri Mataji: I'm not praying that I should live beyond a hundred. 18:11 Shri Mataji: I said, "If you let me live up to another twenty years, I can serve you." Shri Mataji: I can bring some more people to Christ or encourage some more people. Shri Mataji: Otherwise, I'd rather go and be with Christ than live in this rotten old earth. 18:35 Shri Mataji: I say, "If I live here, Lord, it's only to help other people, no other reason." Shri Mataji: I'm not interested in anything here. Shri Mataji: But we don't live beyond a certain age. Shri Mataji: Even if you live for a hundred years. 18:57 Shri Mataji: That is such a short time compared to eternity. Shri Mataji: So many lakhs and crores of years. Shri Mataji: I can't even count them. Shri Mataji: That's how long I'm going to live. 19:17 Shri Mataji: And all those who have loved Jesus and died, they are there already. Shri Mataji: And if God has allowed you to live, it is because He wants a witness on this earth now. Shri Mataji: You are a good witness. 19:39 Shri Mataji: That's why we have these conferences. Shri Mataji: So that we can prepare God's people to be good witnesses for Christ wherever they are. Shri Mataji: And God's aim is always to keep the church pure. Shri Mataji: Blessed are the pure in heart. 20:03 Shri Mataji: They will see God. Shri Mataji: They will see God. Shri Mataji: And it says here in verse 4 to Revelation 22:4. Shri Mataji: They will see His face. Shri Mataji: And His name will be on their foreheads. Shri Mataji: We will see Jesus face to face. 20:23 Shri Mataji: And His name will be on my forehead saying I belong to Jesus Christ. Shri Mataji: Wonderful in all of us. Shri Mataji: It's going to be wonderful. Shri Mataji: You know when we see Jesus face to face. Shri Mataji: We will be surprised to see how much He loved us. 20:45 Shri Mataji: When I see His face. Shri Mataji: I will be amazed. Shri Mataji: Lord you love me so much I never even knew. Shri Mataji: Now we don't know how much He loved us. Shri Mataji: Now we don't know how much He loved us. 21:02 Shri Mataji: Oh we only say He died on the cross. Shri Mataji: Those nails must have pained Him a lot. Shri Mataji: But do you know what pained Jesus more than that? Shri Mataji: That He was forsaken by the Father for 3 hours. 21:21 Shri Mataji: On the cross. Shri Mataji: The world became dark from 12 noon to 3 o'clock. Shri Mataji: When Jesus is hanging on the cross. Shri Mataji: It became midnight. Shri Mataji: All dark. Shri Mataji: And it's 12 o'clock in the day time. 21:42 Shri Mataji: Because those 3 hours was dark. Shri Mataji: Because Jesus was taking the punishment for our sin. Shri Mataji: And that is the punishment He took for our sin. Shri Mataji: That is the punishment He took for our sin. 22:01 Shri Mataji: Not just the nails. Shri Mataji: See, you and I should have been forsaken. Shri Mataji: I should have been forsaken by God for our sin. Shri Mataji: That is what hell is. Shri Mataji: But Jesus says, I will take that. 22:19 Shri Mataji: Don't let them be forsaken. Shri Mataji: I will be forsaken. Shri Mataji: In other words, when He was hanging there for 3 hours, He was experiencing hell. Shri Mataji: That was the only time He called His Father God. 22:43 Shri Mataji: Always used to call Him Father, Father, Father. Shri Mataji: But that time He said, My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me? Shri Mataji: At that time, He said, My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me? Shri Mataji: You know, some people say, I prayed God didn't give me an answer. 22:58 Shri Mataji: Jesus also, when He asked, Why have you forsaken Me? There was no answer. Shri Mataji: He was asking a question. Shri Mataji: No answer. Silence for 3 hours, silence. Shri Mataji: When you are forsaken by God, He doesn't even give you a reply. 23:20 Shri Mataji: He didn't get a reply. Shri Mataji: That is the proof He was forsaken. Shri Mataji: There, He was suffering the agonies of eternal hell for 3 hours. Shri Mataji: Why? 23:42 Shri Mataji: He need not have gone there. Shri Mataji: But He wanted to save you and Me from going to hell. Shri Mataji: So, He told His Father, I will die for them. Shri Mataji: Somebody has to take the punishment. Shri Mataji: Because God is a just God and He must punish sin. 24:05 Shri Mataji: Because every sin is a very serious thing. Shri Mataji: Sin is not like your little boy breaking a plate in the house. Shri Mataji: That is nothing. Shri Mataji: You say, okay son, it's alright, forget it. Shri Mataji: But sin is serious. 24:27 Shri Mataji: Even a small sin in your thoughts or with your words is so serious, it is worse than murder in God's eyes. Shri Mataji: But we don't understand that. Shri Mataji: If you have bitterness in your mind against somebody, God says that's like murdering him. 24:48 Shri Mataji: Do you see it like that? Shri Mataji: Do you see it like that? Shri Mataji: If I have bitterness and murdering somebody? Shri Mataji: If you are angry with your wife, God says that's like murdering her. Shri Mataji: The world says it's only angered but God says it's murder. 25:15 Shri Mataji: That's how serious sin is. Shri Mataji: And God says I can't overlook that murder. Shri Mataji: You may look you just got a little angry. Shri Mataji: But I see it as murder. Shri Mataji: So it has to be, you have to be punished. 25:31 Shri Mataji: You have to go to hell. Shri Mataji: And Jesus says no I'll go. Shri Mataji: I'll go to hell, you let him go to heaven. Shri Mataji: I will understand that fully when he comes again. Shri Mataji: But I began to understand a little bit about it about 30-40 years ago. 25:54 Shri Mataji: I was praying one day. Shri Mataji: I said Lord what did you say take this cup away from me in Gethsemane. Shri Mataji: That was this cup of being forsaken. Shri Mataji: And the father could have said okay, you don't have to die. 26:22 Shri Mataji: You didn't sin, come to heaven. Shri Mataji: But the father says to him but Zac Poonan will go to hell. Shri Mataji: And Jesus in Gethsemane felt like this. Shri Mataji: Zac Poonan will go to hell. Shri Mataji: No, I don't want him to go to hell. 26:43 Shri Mataji: No, no, he will die. Shri Mataji: Okay, I will be forsaken. Shri Mataji: When I understood that, I saw it was not only the nails or the crown of thorns. Shri Mataji: I saw he forsook, he was forsaken and experienced hell because he loved me. 27:04 Shri Mataji: And I remember the first day I understood that I wept and wept before the Lord. Shri Mataji: See, I will tell you something, when you get little revelation of how much Jesus loves you, you will really weep. 27:24 Shri Mataji: If you have never wept before the Lord thinking of his love, I would say you are not yet close to God. Shri Mataji: You have to be very hard hearted not to weep when you understand the love of God. 27:46 Shri Mataji: It's really true, you don't have to produce the tears, it will come automatically. Shri Mataji: When you see how much he loved you, he doesn't frighten us, he just shows us how much he loves us. Shri Mataji: God doesn't frighten me at any time. 28:12 Shri Mataji: But I weep when I think of his love for me. Shri Mataji: When I think how much he has forgiven me. Shri Mataji: And how he had to hang there only with an underwear. Shri Mataji: And everybody laughing at him. 28:31 Shri Mataji: Forsaken by God. Shri Mataji: And the devil all torturing him in his mind. Shri Mataji: And it was all for me. Shri Mataji: Don't say for the world, say for me. Shri Mataji: Not God loved the world, God loved me. 28:48 Shri Mataji: Then we realize it. Shri Mataji: And it is only so that we can be with him forever. Shri Mataji: So, it says here they will see his face. Shri Mataji: So, when I see his face that day. 29:09 Shri Mataji: I believe. Shri Mataji: I will fall on my face. Shri Mataji: And I will weep and I will weep and I will weep for a long time. Shri Mataji: And then it says he will wipe away the tears from my eyes. Shri Mataji: And he will embrace me. 29:27 Shri Mataji: I believe that. Shri Mataji: I want you to be there too. Shri Mataji: But we got to love Jesus now for all that he did for us. Shri Mataji: And when we think of how much he was willing to suffer for us. Shri Mataji: We say, why did he suffer? 29:50 Shri Mataji: Because of my sin. Shri Mataji: That's why he called him my God, my God, he didn't call him father. Shri Mataji: Because he was not standing before his father then, he was standing before the judge of the universe. 30:07 Shri Mataji: And the judge of the universe says, you have to be punished for Zak Poonan's sin. Shri Mataji: So that Zak Poonan doesn't go to hell, you got to go to hell. Shri Mataji: So Jesus says, okay. 30:30 Shri Mataji: And in three hours, the concentrated punishment of eternity he suffered. Shri Mataji: And then he said, it is finished. Shri Mataji: The punishment is over. Shri Mataji: And then he looked up and he didn't call him God, he said, father, I commend my spirit to you. 30:54 Shri Mataji: That's how I know this punishment is finished. Shri Mataji: The punishment started when he called him my God, my God. Shri Mataji: Three hours later, when he said, father, I'm putting my spirit in hand, I know punishment is over. 31:19 Shri Mataji: That's, that's how I know I won't get any punishment. Shri Mataji: It's like, if you have a debt of hundred crores of rupees. Shri Mataji: Somebody who loves you goes and pays your bill and gives you the receipt. 31:41 Shri Mataji: They say, hey, this man loves me so much, he's paid my hundred crore debt and I'm free. Shri Mataji: I don't have to go to jail now. Shri Mataji: How grateful you'll be to the man. Shri Mataji: You won't just say one thank you and forget it. 32:03 Shri Mataji: Whenever you get a chance, you'll go and thank him and say, I'll do anything for you. Shri Mataji: That's why I served the Lord. Shri Mataji: That's why I served the Lord for 60 years now. Shri Mataji: That's why he said, I'll never live for myself. 32:27 Shri Mataji: I'll live for one who died for me. Shri Mataji: That's the only reason why I say, Lord, please give me some more years of health so that I can serve you some more. Shri Mataji: Because I owe you so much for what you paid for me. 32:52 Shri Mataji: So when you feel like that. Shri Mataji: When you realize how much he loved you, you will never ever feel I have done enough. Shri Mataji: I don't feel like that. Shri Mataji: Even say, Oh Brother Zach, you've served the Lord for so long. 33:11 Shri Mataji: You count in terms of years. Shri Mataji: I count in terms of the love Jesus had for me. Shri Mataji: It's like an ocean. Shri Mataji: And what I've given back is one or two drops. Shri Mataji: I say, Lord, I'm willing to suffer anything for your name's sake. 33:35 Shri Mataji: I never want to let you down by anything I do. Shri Mataji: I don't want the devil to come and get any place in my heart. Shri Mataji: My heart is completely for you. Shri Mataji: It's… how do you show your love for Jesus? 33:59 Shri Mataji: Is it just by saying, Oh Lord, I love you, I love you, I love you? Shri Mataji: No. Shri Mataji: No. Shri Mataji: That's easy. Shri Mataji: That's easy. Shri Mataji: It is by making sure that no hatred comes into your heart. 34:12 Shri Mataji: That's why Jesus said, Love your enemies. Shri Mataji: We have many enemies when we are Christians. Shri Mataji: Not only non-Christians, even some Christians are our enemies. Shri Mataji: Because they don't like the stand we take. 34:34 Shri Mataji: We make the light shine from the Word of God. Shri Mataji: And show the wrong practices that other Christians are doing. Shri Mataji: Jesus shone the light in His day on what the Pharisees, wrong things the Pharisees were doing. 34:53 Shri Mataji: He says you are cheating poor widows of their houses. Shri Mataji: And they got angry and they killed Him. Shri Mataji: So, we also shine the light of God's Word on all the wrong things going on in many churches. 35:13 Shri Mataji: And I know that many people hate me, they wish that one would die. Shri Mataji: But I am not going to die. Shri Mataji: There was a servant of God who said, 35:33 Shri Mataji: I think it was John Wesley. Shri Mataji: He said nobody can kill me till my life's work is done. Shri Mataji: Because my life is in God's hands. Shri Mataji: No. Shri Mataji: No cancer, no accident, nothing. 35:52 Shri Mataji: It's for you also. Shri Mataji: If you love Jesus, He said Lord I only want to do your will in my life. Shri Mataji: You don't have to be afraid of sickness or enemies or anything. Shri Mataji: That you got a job and somebody will throw you out of that job. 36:12 Shri Mataji: And you'll be like a beggar on the street. Shri Mataji: Impossible. Shri Mataji: You are a child of God. Shri Mataji: How can God leave His child like a beggar on the street? Shri Mataji: Impossible. Shri Mataji: I left my job 53 years ago. 36:32 Shri Mataji: And I had already worked in the Navy for about eight years. Shri Mataji: And I was getting a big salary and I saved all that money and gave it for God's work. Shri Mataji: And my bank account was zero. 36:53 Shri Mataji: I said Lord I am going to serve you. Shri Mataji: So we were poor, my wife and I were very poor when we started. Shri Mataji: But we were never on the street. Shri Mataji: We never had to beg anybody for money. 37:08 Shri Mataji: Not even once. Shri Mataji: We never took money from people and we never wrote people to asking for money. Shri Mataji: God is a loving Father. Shri Mataji: And He is your Father also. Shri Mataji: Be faithful. 37:25 Shri Mataji: Till Christ comes. Shri Mataji: And when He comes you'll have great joy when you meet Him. Shri Mataji: You know how do you want to meet Jesus when He comes? Shri Mataji: Do you want to somehow scrape your way into Heaven? 37:42 Shri Mataji: No. Shri Mataji: I want to meet Jesus and He should say to me well done good and faithful servant. Shri Mataji: Don't you want to hear that from Jesus? 38:07 Shri Mataji: All the medals and honors and Bharat Ratna and all is nothing compared to Jesus saying well done. Shri Mataji: That is the greatest Heavens Ratna you can get. 38:27 Shri Mataji: See when Jesus comes, there will be two types of people among believers. Shri Mataji: You read about that in 1 John 2:27. Shri Mataji: Verse 28 right, 1 John 2:28. 38:49 Shri Mataji: Little children, He is talking to believers, abide in Him. Shri Mataji: So that when He appears, Shri Mataji: Now you read about the two types of believers who will be there when He comes. Shri Mataji: One who has confidence says, yeah Lord, praise the Lord you have come, I want to see you. 39:17 Shri Mataji: And the other? Shri Mataji: Oh Lord, I didn't know you were going to come so soon and they are ashamed they want to cover their face. Shri Mataji: So, you see there are two types of believers in the last when Christ comes again. 39:36 Shri Mataji: Why are these people hiding their face and ashamed? Shri Mataji: Because they have not confessed all their sins. Shri Mataji: They still kept a bitterness against somebody. Shri Mataji: They kept some hatred against somebody whom they didn't like. 39:56 Shri Mataji: But Jesus has told us to forgive everyone. Shri Mataji: Please remember this. Shri Mataji: We cannot fellowship with all believers but we can forgive everyone. Shri Mataji: No, that's it. Shri Mataji: With all the faith that he will forgive everyone. 40:16 Shri Mataji: Because so many believers are so selfish. Shri Mataji: And they do so many wrong things. Shri Mataji: We can love them but we can't work with them. Shri Mataji: We can't fellowship with them. Shri Mataji: But we must not hate them. 40:37 Shri Mataji: There are many believers in the world who disagree with me. Shri Mataji: Some of them hate me and say I'm a false prophet and all that. Shri Mataji: And they write articles against me. Shri Mataji: I don't have time to read all of them. 41:00 Shri Mataji: I love them and say God bless you. Shri Mataji: Because it is, I can say this before God. Shri Mataji: Today, it is impossible for me to hate anyone. Shri Mataji: Once it was, I could hate people. 41:20 Shri Mataji: But now God has done such a work in my heart. Shri Mataji: Showed me how much he loved me. Shri Mataji: But I cannot hate people. Shri Mataji: God has given me his nature. Shri Mataji: Even Jesus could not fellowship with the Pharisees. 41:38 Shri Mataji: I cannot fellowship with many Christians. Shri Mataji: But he loved them. Shri Mataji: He loved them so much he died for them. Shri Mataji: I have not come to that level of being willing to die for people. Shri Mataji: That is still some higher level. 41:56 Shri Mataji: But I want to get there. Shri Mataji: I want to love. Shri Mataji: And I really say I can love my enemies today. Shri Mataji: Not enough to die for them like Jesus but little less than that. Shri Mataji: But no hatred. 42:19 Shri Mataji: No bitterness. Shri Mataji: And people have done harm to me. Shri Mataji: I have forgiven them long ago. Shri Mataji: If people speak evil of me or say CFC is preaching all wrong teaching. Shri Mataji: I say Father forgive them. 42:40 Shri Mataji: They don't know what they are saying. Shri Mataji: So you must be like that. Shri Mataji: Forgive. Shri Mataji: Forgive. Shri Mataji: And be good to people. Shri Mataji: You also people have hurt you perhaps. 42:55 Shri Mataji: Sometimes our relatives hurt us. Shri Mataji: Mother-in-law, sister-in-law. Shri Mataji: They treat you badly. Shri Mataji: Or they rob the family property so that you don't get it. 43:17 Shri Mataji: I say take it. Shri Mataji: I don't want it. Shri Mataji: I'm not going to carry that to heaven. Shri Mataji: So forgive. Shri Mataji: You'll be a happier man. Shri Mataji: You'll be able to sleep peacefully at night. 43:31 Shri Mataji: I sleep peacefully at night because I don't have anything against anybody. Shri Mataji: And my conscience is always clear. Shri Mataji: If I've accidentally hurt somebody I ask forgiveness. Shri Mataji: Then I go to bed to sleep peacefully because of a good conscience. 43:53 Shri Mataji: So if you live like that when Christ comes you will not shrink in shame. Shri Mataji: You'll say praise the Lord I'm ready to meet you Lord. Shri Mataji: So dear brothers and sisters. Shri Mataji: God has done a wonderful work here in these parts of Karnataka. 44:14 Shri Mataji: See some of you know that the church in Hubli went through a little difficult time. Shri Mataji: I came here many many years ago. Shri Mataji: Do you remember when I came first brother? Shri Mataji: Who was here when I first came? 44:37 Shri Mataji: Anybody can tell me which year it was? Shri Mataji: I forgot. Shri Mataji: I forgot. Shri Mataji: 83, 84. Shri Mataji: 83? Shri Mataji: 83 I don't think. Shri Mataji: Really? Shri Mataji: That is 36 years? Shri Mataji: I don't think it was 83 maybe a little later. 44:55 Shri Mataji: 87. Shri Mataji: 87? Shri Mataji: Anyway it's been a long time. Shri Mataji: I don't know who all were here for the first meeting I came to in Hubli. Shri Mataji: Mary Malekar. Shri Mataji: Mary Malekar. Shri Mataji: Mary. 45:07 Shri Mataji: Mary. Shri Mataji: Mary. Shri Mataji: No. Shri Mataji: She was here then. Shri Mataji: Mary Malekar. Shri Mataji: Do you remember which year it was? Shri Mataji: Your dad was. Shri Mataji: Anyway it doesn't matter. 45:15 Shri Mataji: Your dad was. Shri Mataji: It was a long time ago. Shri Mataji: Your dad was. Shri Mataji: Your dad was a long time ago. Shri Mataji: Your dad only arranged a meeting. Shri Mataji: Yeah. Shri Mataji: But it was a, I never knew. 45:26 Shri Mataji: That time there was no church here. Shri Mataji: Then we, and God only, I didn't start the church. Shri Mataji: God started a church. Shri Mataji: And then he only gathered different people. Shri Mataji: But unfortunately the church did not have good leadership. 45:46 Shri Mataji: And therefore, you know when a leader begins to become like a dictator. Shri Mataji: That's not the spirit of Christ. Shri Mataji: And that destroyed this church for a long time. 46:06 Shri Mataji: It's like these dictators rule different countries. Shri Mataji: A true elder must be a servant. Shri Mataji: And they did not have a servant here as a leader. 46:27 Shri Mataji: So God, God is very patient. Shri Mataji: We say why doesn't God removes a person like that immediately. Shri Mataji: Because he gives person time to repent. Shri Mataji: Why didn't God, Jesus, remove Judas Iscariot as soon as he know he's a crook. 46:50 Shri Mataji: He waited, he waited, he waited. Shri Mataji: God is very patient. Shri Mataji: We like to remove a person immediately. Shri Mataji: I remember in another church, it was a CFC church. 47:10 Shri Mataji: Where also there was a difficult man who was a dictator type of leader. Shri Mataji: And he took advantage of many people. Shri Mataji: But I discovered it only after many years. Shri Mataji: Like in Hubli also, I discovered it only after many years. 47:31 Shri Mataji: I didn't realize that some people had left and were… Shri Mataji: There was a split here for six, seven… Shri Mataji: I never knew all this because I hadn't come here so often. Shri Mataji: For some years. Shri Mataji: Then in the other case, that man was causing a problem and I had to remove him from eldership. 47:54 Shri Mataji: I said, Lord, why did you not show this to me earlier? Shri Mataji: That was in another town, not here. Shri Mataji: And the Lord said, because if you had known it, you would have removed him immediately. 48:16 Shri Mataji: But I am very patient with people. Shri Mataji: Even with very bad people, I wait, I wait, I wait, give them a chance to repent. Shri Mataji: Like he gave time to Judas Iscariot who was such a thief, he gave him time to repent. 48:35 Shri Mataji: I said, Lord, thank you, I am learning how patient you are with people. Shri Mataji: But when the time came, Judas Iscariot was exposed. Shri Mataji: And Jesus said, it is better for him that he is not even born. 48:58 Shri Mataji: It is a terrible thing to do harm to God's work. Shri Mataji: Anybody who does harm to God's church, I will say the same thing, it is better he was not even born. 49:18 Shri Mataji: And particularly if it is a good church like CFC has been. Shri Mataji: Anybody who comes in like a dictator and harms the church, I say in Jesus name it is better he is not even born. Shri Mataji: What a lot they have to repent of. 49:44 Shri Mataji: Anyway, finally in that other place God solved the problem and removed that man and put somebody else. Shri Mataji: Same thing happened here also. Shri Mataji: God removed someone and brought back those who left. 50:00 Shri Mataji: Now it is very important that those who are here and those who are left become one with each other. Shri Mataji: There must not be the feeling this is my group that is another group. Shri Mataji: There are no groups in the body of Christ. 50:15 Shri Mataji: So you have to grow out of this feeling this is my group that is another group. Shri Mataji: We are one in Christ. Shri Mataji: We have all made mistakes. Shri Mataji: And God has been merciful to us so we must be merciful to others. 50:35 Shri Mataji: As I said we can't fellowship with everybody. Shri Mataji: There are many Christians in Bangalore most of them I cannot fellowship with. Shri Mataji: Because they have a wrong attitude to money. Shri Mataji: I told you about this other brother in another town. 50:59 Shri Mataji: There is a wrong attitude to money. Shri Mataji: Here also the problem is a wrong attitude to money. Shri Mataji: And wherever there is a wrong attitude to money the church is destroyed. Shri Mataji: Like Judas Iscariot. 51:17 Shri Mataji: Then God removes such a person. Shri Mataji: Then he will build the church. Shri Mataji: So that's what God is doing here. Shri Mataji: We don't hate anyone. Shri Mataji: We don't even hate those who call us the devil. 51:32 Shri Mataji: We say Father forgive them. Shri Mataji: But we can't work with them. Shri Mataji: We work with those who wholeheartedly want to follow Jesus. Shri Mataji: Who have no interest in money. Shri Mataji: And who have no interest in ruling over other people. 51:57 Shri Mataji: And who have no interest in ruling over other people. Shri Mataji: Elders must be like Jesus washing the feet of people. Shri Mataji: That's what I pray. Shri Mataji: That's what I pray. Shri Mataji: Lord I want to wash the feet of my fellow believers. 52:15 Shri Mataji: That's what I pray. Shri Mataji: Lord I want to wash the feet of my fellow believers. Shri Mataji: I am ready to clean their chapels or do whatever. Shri Mataji: Jesus was a servant and I am a servant. Shri Mataji: And a true leader is a servant. 52:34 Shri Mataji: Otherwise you will be like these worldly leaders who are big big people. Shri Mataji: And if anybody comes like that in the church God will one day remove him. Shri Mataji: And God has removed such people in the past. 52:54 Shri Mataji: I can think of at least five or six elders in the last 45 years God has removed from CFC churches. Shri Mataji: That's not a big number because we have got about 150 elders five and six is a very small number. 53:10 Shri Mataji: So God has been very good to us. Shri Mataji: He has protected us from all these lovers of money. Shri Mataji: But you know this happened in the days of John also as an apostle. Shri Mataji: I see third John verse 9. 53:33 Shri Mataji: He says I wrote something to the church. Shri Mataji: Third epistle of John which is just before Revelation. Shri Mataji: I wrote verse 9. Shri Mataji: I wrote something to the church with a diatrophies who loves to be the first does not accept what I say. 53:54 Shri Mataji: And what does he do even when I send somebody to the church verse 10. Shri Mataji: He does not receive them and throws them out of the church. Shri Mataji: So what did John do? 54:14 Shri Mataji: He says I am going to come there. I am not afraid of him. Shri Mataji: And I will call attention to all his deeds. Shri Mataji: And he will say brother is it right to speak about the wrong thing some elder did? 54:32 Shri Mataji: Elder. Shri Mataji: Diatrophies is the elder. Shri Mataji: John says when I come there I am going to tell the whole church of all the wrong things this elder did. Shri Mataji: Because John was an apostle he had authority. 54:59 Shri Mataji: So what I am saying is even in those days there were problems. Shri Mataji: Diatrophies was an elder whom John appointed in that church. Shri Mataji: And the church was blessed because of John's ministry. 55:24 Shri Mataji: But Diatrophies thought oh it is my ministry that is blessing the church. Shri Mataji: And his head became big. Shri Mataji: And God withdrew his grace from him. Shri Mataji: And then John had to go and put him out. 55:44 Shri Mataji: But then there was another good man there verse 12 called Demetrius. Shri Mataji: He has got a good report from everyone. Shri Mataji: Verse 12 verse 12. Shri Mataji: So there were some good people in that church. 55:57 Shri Mataji: And in every church there are good people. Shri Mataji: And we pray those good people will come forward. Shri Mataji: And lead the church to a greater height to become more like Christ. Shri Mataji: So we need to be ready for the second coming of Christ. 56:18 Shri Mataji: That's great. Shri Mataji: Heavenly Father. Shri Mataji: Please help us to remember all that we heard today. Shri Mataji: That our name be glorified. Shri Mataji: We pray in Jesus' name. 56:38 Shri Mataji: Amen. Shri Mataji: Amen. Shri Mataji: Amen. Shri Mataji: Amen.
